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	<title>Comments on: Surgeons&#8217; hypocrisy</title>
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	<description>Talking about Body Integrity Identity Disorder - Just another disability!</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gast</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/surgeons-hypocrisy.htm#comment-9959</link>
		<dc:creator>Gast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for this great story. You are so true that many from the medical community are full with bias towards disability.

This is highly schizophrenic, shouldn´t these people have a lot of sympathy and empathy for the weak, the ill and all who are different?

I have tried to talk with an public health officer, I have to say I´m a BIID person who lives beyond sole fantasy and you cannot imagine how upset this guy was.

I tend to suppose more and more many health care professionaly live in there own world of their own rules and they lost contact to reality. The reality which is our reality and of sufferers who may suffer from whatever disease or syndrome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for this great story. You are so true that many from the medical community are full with bias towards disability.</p>
<p>This is highly schizophrenic, shouldn´t these people have a lot of sympathy and empathy for the weak, the ill and all who are different?</p>
<p>I have tried to talk with an public health officer, I have to say I´m a BIID person who lives beyond sole fantasy and you cannot imagine how upset this guy was.</p>
<p>I tend to suppose more and more many health care professionaly live in there own world of their own rules and they lost contact to reality. The reality which is our reality and of sufferers who may suffer from whatever disease or syndrome.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/surgeons-hypocrisy.htm#comment-8881</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronald, your question about transplant is completely irrelevant here.  Transplants are not illegal, nor considered ethically wrong or immoral.  FWIW, I don't have a problem with providing someone with Down Syndrome a transplant.  

Re the forced sterilisation in the 30's in Germany, let us also not forget that Hitler's "ideas" (and many practices) came straight from the USA, where the concept of eugenics was born...  But that's also another controversial topic entirely.

You are probably right, however, that a good part of refusal has to do with fear of being sued.  But perhaps we should sue them for refusing to assist us instead!  ok, I know, we wouldn't stand a chance, but I like the idea, I hope it would raise attention enough that *something* positive would come out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronald, your question about transplant is completely irrelevant here.  Transplants are not illegal, nor considered ethically wrong or immoral.  FWIW, I don&#8217;t have a problem with providing someone with Down Syndrome a transplant.  </p>
<p>Re the forced sterilisation in the 30&#8217;s in Germany, let us also not forget that Hitler&#8217;s &#8220;ideas&#8221; (and many practices) came straight from the USA, where the concept of eugenics was born&#8230;  But that&#8217;s also another controversial topic entirely.</p>
<p>You are probably right, however, that a good part of refusal has to do with fear of being sued.  But perhaps we should sue them for refusing to assist us instead!  ok, I know, we wouldn&#8217;t stand a chance, but I like the idea, I hope it would raise attention enough that *something* positive would come out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/surgeons-hypocrisy.htm#comment-8875</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting topic.  I can see the civil or malpractice defense argument.  There is very little chance that a developmental disabled person would ever seek civil remedy (lawsuit) against a surgeon or guardian that permitted or performed a sterilization.  The rationale behind the sterilization is the ultimate well being of the child, etc. etc. etc.

Yet, the surgeon who operates on a rational patient who wishes to become disabled could very well be forced to pay damages if the patient is not satisfied with the irreversible result.(huge malparctice issue).  

Criminal or non criminal behaviour is neither a cause for, or a defense of, civil litigation.

Let history also remind us about forced sterilization in  1930's Germany.

I see the sterilization issue as too far detached from our needs.

Let me throw this into the hopper.  A severely handicapped individual, say with Down's Syndrome is in desparate need of an organ transplant.  Because death is near, the patient is put at the top of the recipient list.  Survival of the patient to a healthy old age is guaranteed with the transplant.  Is this right or wrong??  How does this fit into our ideas with the legitimacy of elective surgery for our needs??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting topic.  I can see the civil or malpractice defense argument.  There is very little chance that a developmental disabled person would ever seek civil remedy (lawsuit) against a surgeon or guardian that permitted or performed a sterilization.  The rationale behind the sterilization is the ultimate well being of the child, etc. etc. etc.</p>
<p>Yet, the surgeon who operates on a rational patient who wishes to become disabled could very well be forced to pay damages if the patient is not satisfied with the irreversible result.(huge malparctice issue).  </p>
<p>Criminal or non criminal behaviour is neither a cause for, or a defense of, civil litigation.</p>
<p>Let history also remind us about forced sterilization in  1930&#8217;s Germany.</p>
<p>I see the sterilization issue as too far detached from our needs.</p>
<p>Let me throw this into the hopper.  A severely handicapped individual, say with Down&#8217;s Syndrome is in desparate need of an organ transplant.  Because death is near, the patient is put at the top of the recipient list.  Survival of the patient to a healthy old age is guaranteed with the transplant.  Is this right or wrong??  How does this fit into our ideas with the legitimacy of elective surgery for our needs??</p>
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		<title>By: Kyla</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/surgeons-hypocrisy.htm#comment-8873</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that, more than a bias against those with disabilities, it's the belief that our bodies belong to anyone but ourselves - God, parents, the state, our husbands, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that, more than a bias against those with disabilities, it&#8217;s the belief that our bodies belong to anyone but ourselves - God, parents, the state, our husbands, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/surgeons-hypocrisy.htm#comment-8870</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd love to get the contact details for one of those surgeons and see if they would perform surgery on TA people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to get the contact details for one of those surgeons and see if they would perform surgery on TA people!</p>
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