Comments on: Stuck at the bargaining stage http://transabled.org/thoughts/stuck-at-the-bargaining-stage.htm Talking about Body Integrity Identity Disorder - Just another disability! Thu, 24 May 2012 18:24:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Marie http://transabled.org/thoughts/stuck-at-the-bargaining-stage.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1634 Marie Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:30:10 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/stuck-at-the-bargaining-stage.htm#comment-1634 Oh indeed. It's the same argument that the medical community uses to force transsexuals to wait til they're 18 before any treatment! Come out at 10 and wait 8 years (being irreversibly damaged by puberty). It's no wonder we transfolk are good at killing ourselves. Oh indeed.

It’s the same argument that the medical community uses to force transsexuals to wait til they’re 18 before any treatment! Come out at 10 and wait 8 years (being irreversibly damaged by puberty). It’s no wonder we transfolk are good at killing ourselves.

]]> By: Kyla http://transabled.org/thoughts/stuck-at-the-bargaining-stage.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1633 Kyla Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:27:20 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/stuck-at-the-bargaining-stage.htm#comment-1633 Isn't that the same argument put forth to justify the time, expense, and irreversible damage that a transsexual must endure before being permitted to have that condition surgically corrected? It seems to boil down to 'We know better than you do what you REALLY want/need, and what is best for you.' How dare the medical, or mental health, or, even worse, the religious, community make such a claim? Isn’t that the same argument put forth to justify the time, expense, and irreversible damage that a transsexual must endure before being permitted to have that condition surgically corrected? It seems to boil down to ‘We know better than you do what you REALLY want/need, and what is best for you.’ How dare the medical, or mental health, or, even worse, the religious, community make such a claim?

]]> By: Marie http://transabled.org/thoughts/stuck-at-the-bargaining-stage.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1632 Marie Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:23:48 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/stuck-at-the-bargaining-stage.htm#comment-1632 I don't buy it. If no one was allowed to make bad decisions then nothing would ever get done. How many inventions that benefit humanity are the result of someone screwing up or making an error. The argument is complete rubbish! Why don't these doctors stop parents from mutilating intersex children or from lopping the end of infant boys' penises off? What if the parents regret it? It isn't even like the choice they make to mutilate ANOTHER PERSON only affects them like a auditoryvestibular nerve section would or an amputation or a small snip in one's back. The claim "you may regret it" is such a weak argument. I can't believe educated people are putting it forth. I don’t buy it.

If no one was allowed to make bad decisions then nothing would ever get done. How many inventions that benefit humanity are the result of someone screwing up or making an error. The argument is complete rubbish!

Why don’t these doctors stop parents from mutilating intersex children or from lopping the end of infant boys’ penises off? What if the parents regret it? It isn’t even like the choice they make to mutilate ANOTHER PERSON only affects them like a auditoryvestibular nerve section would or an amputation or a small snip in one’s back.

The claim “you may regret it” is such a weak argument. I can’t believe educated people are putting it forth.

]]> By: Kyla http://transabled.org/thoughts/stuck-at-the-bargaining-stage.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1631 Kyla Tue, 13 Mar 2007 06:56:29 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/stuck-at-the-bargaining-stage.htm#comment-1631 I agree. It is much harder to just accept something and move on when there is something that can be done to fix it. Regarding the matter of TA conditions, one consequence of this is to weaken one of the arguments against performing corrective surgeries on the transabled individual, to give us the condition that we perceive as the proper state for us. Specifically, the 'What if you regret it later?' argument. Because most of the conditions that we feel the need to achieve are generally irreversible, even if we were to decide at some later point in time that it was a mistake (unlikely, but possible), it would be a lot easier to accept it and move forward, than it is to spend our lives unable to move forward because of the possibility of having this need fulfilled. I've long considered this question in abstract terms, in response to being directly asked: "What if you have it done and realise that it had been a mistake?" My answer has always been that because it would be by my own choice, that I would be responsible to accept the consequences for it; further, because it is irreversible, I would have no choice but to live with my decision. For these reasons, among others, it would be much easier to move forward. I agree. It is much harder to just accept something and move on when there is something that can be done to fix it. Regarding the matter of TA conditions, one consequence of this is to weaken one of the arguments against performing corrective surgeries on the transabled individual, to give us the condition that we perceive as the proper state for us.

Specifically, the ‘What if you regret it later?’ argument. Because most of the conditions that we feel the need to achieve are generally irreversible, even if we were to decide at some later point in time that it was a mistake (unlikely, but possible), it would be a lot easier to accept it and move forward, than it is to spend our lives unable to move forward because of the possibility of having this need fulfilled.

I’ve long considered this question in abstract terms, in response to being directly asked: “What if you have it done and realise that it had been a mistake?” My answer has always been that because it would be by my own choice, that I would be responsible to accept the consequences for it; further, because it is irreversible, I would have no choice but to live with my decision. For these reasons, among others, it would be much easier to move forward.

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