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	<title>Comments on: Let them Eat&#8230; Well&#8230; Cake</title>
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	<description>Talking about Body Integrity Identity Disorder - Just another disability!</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/other-thoughts/lanes-thoughts/let-them-eat-well-cake.htm/comment-page-1#comment-19047</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I see is that one tries to avoid to express one's REAL feelings. This can be necessary, but it certainly is not healthy and authentic. 
Why not simply show how you really feel - on both sides?
Without planning for such a situation, but spontaneously, only this is authentic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I see is that one tries to avoid to express one&#8217;s REAL feelings. This can be necessary, but it certainly is not healthy and authentic.<br />
Why not simply show how you really feel - on both sides?<br />
Without planning for such a situation, but spontaneously, only this is authentic.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/other-thoughts/lanes-thoughts/let-them-eat-well-cake.htm/comment-page-1#comment-19044</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the problem is (as regards my experience) that when others try to be funny, they're actually insulting. It's hard to feel incomfortable or insecure because of someone else's disability and then quickly find a good, appropriate, funny comment. And you don't know if the disabled person matches your sense of humour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the problem is (as regards my experience) that when others try to be funny, they&#8217;re actually insulting. It&#8217;s hard to feel incomfortable or insecure because of someone else&#8217;s disability and then quickly find a good, appropriate, funny comment. And you don&#8217;t know if the disabled person matches your sense of humour.</p>
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		<title>By: Becs</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/other-thoughts/lanes-thoughts/let-them-eat-well-cake.htm/comment-page-1#comment-19043</link>
		<dc:creator>Becs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It's raining cupcakes, hallelujah, it's raining cake!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s raining cupcakes, hallelujah, it&#8217;s raining cake!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/other-thoughts/lanes-thoughts/let-them-eat-well-cake.htm/comment-page-1#comment-19042</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, seeing as how my sense of humor is very well trained to slapstick comedy, I probably would have laughed, at least when the cupcakes all came splattering down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, seeing as how my sense of humor is very well trained to slapstick comedy, I probably would have laughed, at least when the cupcakes all came splattering down.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/other-thoughts/lanes-thoughts/let-them-eat-well-cake.htm/comment-page-1#comment-19041</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, if the cake incident happened to me then I hope I'd laugh first and break the ice for others to laugh with me. If that didn't happen then I think I'd like someone to laugh or comment on how high I'd managed to fling the cakes or pick out something amusing about the situation.

If that wasn't possible then perhaps the person who left the thing on the floor that caused the incident could have apologised. Or someone else could have commented that it was stupid of someone to leave that there - that way they take the blame away from me.

When I'm in my chair I don't mind people asking about why I'm in it, though not as the first thing they say to me. After we've been chatting for a while (1/2 an hour perhaps) or after a few days of regular brief chats, or if it's relevant - i.e. if they need to know if I can get myself up a couple of steps to a meeting or they need to change venue. I agree that initially it's most polite to 'ignore' the disability if you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, if the cake incident happened to me then I hope I&#8217;d laugh first and break the ice for others to laugh with me. If that didn&#8217;t happen then I think I&#8217;d like someone to laugh or comment on how high I&#8217;d managed to fling the cakes or pick out something amusing about the situation.</p>
<p>If that wasn&#8217;t possible then perhaps the person who left the thing on the floor that caused the incident could have apologised. Or someone else could have commented that it was stupid of someone to leave that there - that way they take the blame away from me.</p>
<p>When I&#8217;m in my chair I don&#8217;t mind people asking about why I&#8217;m in it, though not as the first thing they say to me. After we&#8217;ve been chatting for a while (1/2 an hour perhaps) or after a few days of regular brief chats, or if it&#8217;s relevant - i.e. if they need to know if I can get myself up a couple of steps to a meeting or they need to change venue. I agree that initially it&#8217;s most polite to &#8216;ignore&#8217; the disability if you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/other-thoughts/lanes-thoughts/let-them-eat-well-cake.htm/comment-page-1#comment-19040</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am contemplating about the "right" reaction AB persons should have in front of people with disabilities. AB are often so insecure - so am I...

I'm very good at trying to ignore other's disabilities, not refer to them neither ask questions. There was a disabled woman in a wheelchair I once talked to who said this is the most polite way and you never have the right to ask questions.

But what's the appropriate reaction? My experience watching AB/PWD encounters is that when the AB persons try to be funny, the situation turns awful. Thus I invented the "cbpi" award - for comments that are "creative but politically incorrect".

@all: What reaction would you have wished for in such a situation that Lane/Sean told?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am contemplating about the &#8220;right&#8221; reaction AB persons should have in front of people with disabilities. AB are often so insecure - so am I&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very good at trying to ignore other&#8217;s disabilities, not refer to them neither ask questions. There was a disabled woman in a wheelchair I once talked to who said this is the most polite way and you never have the right to ask questions.</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s the appropriate reaction? My experience watching AB/PWD encounters is that when the AB persons try to be funny, the situation turns awful. Thus I invented the &#8220;cbpi&#8221; award - for comments that are &#8220;creative but politically incorrect&#8221;.</p>
<p>@all: What reaction would you have wished for in such a situation that Lane/Sean told?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lane

Why these bitter feelings of failure?

I have two legs. Do you think I never stumble? Do you think I never let fall things? I also get into embarrassing situations.

Do you think that in a wheelchair you have to be even more perfect than without it? Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lane</p>
<p>Why these bitter feelings of failure?</p>
<p>I have two legs. Do you think I never stumble? Do you think I never let fall things? I also get into embarrassing situations.</p>
<p>Do you think that in a wheelchair you have to be even more perfect than without it? Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *well* remember a couple incidents. The first one, I was out dancing at a club with my late wife and a couple friends. So, there was my wife (a para), friend 1 (a quad in a manual chair), friend 2 (a para), and myself. Somehow, my late wife managed to flip backwards, and land on her back. The three other wheelers just cracked up laughing, and the crowd ghasped, horrified. Louise just sat up and kept dancing, ass on the dance floor, laughing herself silly.  The other time, it was ME that flipped back on the dance floor. This time I had been cocky, dancing while popping wheelies. Didn't see that someone had spilled a drink on the floor, I lost traction and WHAM! My partner just laughed while people around were quite shocked. They were saying she was heartless. Years later, we bumped into someone that was at that party and who still thought it had been heartless, whereas I was just laughing :)

It *is* better to laugh at those things. People tend to take your lead when you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I *well* remember a couple incidents. The first one, I was out dancing at a club with my late wife and a couple friends. So, there was my wife (a para), friend 1 (a quad in a manual chair), friend 2 (a para), and myself. Somehow, my late wife managed to flip backwards, and land on her back. The three other wheelers just cracked up laughing, and the crowd ghasped, horrified. Louise just sat up and kept dancing, ass on the dance floor, laughing herself silly.  The other time, it was ME that flipped back on the dance floor. This time I had been cocky, dancing while popping wheelies. Didn&#8217;t see that someone had spilled a drink on the floor, I lost traction and WHAM! My partner just laughed while people around were quite shocked. They were saying she was heartless. Years later, we bumped into someone that was at that party and who still thought it had been heartless, whereas I was just laughing :)</p>
<p>It *is* better to laugh at those things. People tend to take your lead when you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Chloe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chloe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one time I fell out of my chair in public in a very undignified manner I thought it was so hilarious I couldn't stop laughing. Everyone else started laughing too. Maybe that's the protocol. You have to be the first to laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one time I fell out of my chair in public in a very undignified manner I thought it was so hilarious I couldn&#8217;t stop laughing. Everyone else started laughing too. Maybe that&#8217;s the protocol. You have to be the first to laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Becs</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/other-thoughts/lanes-thoughts/let-them-eat-well-cake.htm/comment-page-1#comment-19026</link>
		<dc:creator>Becs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it any comfort to say everyone makes these errors? In some way or another, we all do. The -pam drugs are good, but finding the right antidepressant is even better. Be of good hope.

I know there'll come a day when I'll land flat on my face while crutching. It's not going to be pretty, but it will happen someday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it any comfort to say everyone makes these errors? In some way or another, we all do. The -pam drugs are good, but finding the right antidepressant is even better. Be of good hope.</p>
<p>I know there&#8217;ll come a day when I&#8217;ll land flat on my face while crutching. It&#8217;s not going to be pretty, but it will happen someday.</p>
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		<title>By: Lane</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/other-thoughts/lanes-thoughts/let-them-eat-well-cake.htm/comment-page-1#comment-19024</link>
		<dc:creator>Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slapstick! Darn it. I knew I went into the wrong career.

I think part of what made the second incident so powerful for me was the fact that absolutely no one laughed, despite the fact that it was probably insanely funny to watch. This is a VERY fun-loving group, but no one dared by inappropriate. This is my take, anyway. I'm pretty sure that if someone would have so much as chuckled, I would have laughed it off and my day would have ended on a high note.

Maybe I need to make _this_ my new birthday tradition ;). Next year maybe cream tartlets, gumballs, something with Jello??? Haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slapstick! Darn it. I knew I went into the wrong career.</p>
<p>I think part of what made the second incident so powerful for me was the fact that absolutely no one laughed, despite the fact that it was probably insanely funny to watch. This is a VERY fun-loving group, but no one dared by inappropriate. This is my take, anyway. I&#8217;m pretty sure that if someone would have so much as chuckled, I would have laughed it off and my day would have ended on a high note.</p>
<p>Maybe I need to make _this_ my new birthday tradition ;). Next year maybe cream tartlets, gumballs, something with Jello??? Haha</p>
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		<title>By: Chloe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chloe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for explaining about the cauliflower soup. I knew there was a reason I was avoiding it at the cafeteria, but couldn't quite put my finger on it. I always get the pea soup. So far so good; it seems much safer.

It's very interesting for me to see the little details of shared experience. I had no idea how much the wheelchair would reduce my levels of physical pain. I was expecting it to be the other way round. Likewise I also was surprised by the magnitude of the beneficial psychological effect going from wheeling some of the time to wheeling most of the time.

You are obviously a natural at slapstick comedy. Will you star as yourself in the movie?

I bump into things if get distracted, but you clearly have more sophisticated talents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for explaining about the cauliflower soup. I knew there was a reason I was avoiding it at the cafeteria, but couldn&#8217;t quite put my finger on it. I always get the pea soup. So far so good; it seems much safer.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very interesting for me to see the little details of shared experience. I had no idea how much the wheelchair would reduce my levels of physical pain. I was expecting it to be the other way round. Likewise I also was surprised by the magnitude of the beneficial psychological effect going from wheeling some of the time to wheeling most of the time.</p>
<p>You are obviously a natural at slapstick comedy. Will you star as yourself in the movie?</p>
<p>I bump into things if get distracted, but you clearly have more sophisticated talents.</p>
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