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	<title>Comments on: The Red Pill or the Blue Pill?</title>
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	<description>Talking about Body Integrity Identity Disorder - Just another disability!</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nicola</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/other-thoughts/dantes-thoughts/the-red-pill-or-the-blue-pill.htm#comment-14606</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, i should have said i would SERIOUSLY consider taking it. not so sure that i would DEFINATELY take it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, i should have said i would SERIOUSLY consider taking it. not so sure that i would DEFINATELY take it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicola</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/other-thoughts/dantes-thoughts/the-red-pill-or-the-blue-pill.htm#comment-14577</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 16:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like what May said about it not changing who we were or are, just who we will be.

but, i wonder, could it work the other way around? if the pill that makes our mind match our bodies made it so we NEVER had biid, then maybe i wouldn't take it, but what we're talking about wouldn't change the past.
for example: before i found out about biid, when i had an "attack" i would go on the internet and read peoples accounts of being in a wheelchair, look at pictures of people in wheelchairs etc.

BUT then i would be able to IGNORE it. because there was no-where else to go. and for monthes i forgot about it.
in those monthes i forgot the desire to be in a wheelchair. but i was still ME. just because i hadn't thought about paraplegia or wheelchairs doesn't mean i lost part of me or was any less of myself.

so yeah, if i had a pill that made me totally happy with my body the way it is, i would take it. 

whats more, that way i could bypass the whole teenage hell of "i hate my legs, i hate my nose, i hate my earlobe" LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like what May said about it not changing who we were or are, just who we will be.</p>
<p>but, i wonder, could it work the other way around? if the pill that makes our mind match our bodies made it so we NEVER had biid, then maybe i wouldn&#8217;t take it, but what we&#8217;re talking about wouldn&#8217;t change the past.<br />
for example: before i found out about biid, when i had an &#8220;attack&#8221; i would go on the internet and read peoples accounts of being in a wheelchair, look at pictures of people in wheelchairs etc.</p>
<p>BUT then i would be able to IGNORE it. because there was no-where else to go. and for monthes i forgot about it.<br />
in those monthes i forgot the desire to be in a wheelchair. but i was still ME. just because i hadn&#8217;t thought about paraplegia or wheelchairs doesn&#8217;t mean i lost part of me or was any less of myself.</p>
<p>so yeah, if i had a pill that made me totally happy with my body the way it is, i would take it. </p>
<p>whats more, that way i could bypass the whole teenage hell of &#8220;i hate my legs, i hate my nose, i hate my earlobe&#8221; LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: May</title>
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		<dc:creator>May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In our opinion, we can change the body without changing who we our.  It changes who we /will be/ in the future - our path is changed - but it doesn't change our experiences that shaped who we are now, so we are still the same people as we always were.

Thus, for us, while we'd happily choose to change our body to match our mind, we would not choose to change our mind to match our body.  The latter doesn't just change our future experiences - it changes who we are, by changing our mind to be different.  We would cease to exist as people, and would be replaced by slightly different versions.

We have also considered if we were given the opportunity to go back, change things so we were born with mind and body matching - whether that meant mind matched the body we have now, or body matched what is in our mind - and after thinking about it a lot, we have realized we wouldn't do it.  By definition, this would change the experiences that made us who we are today.  We would, again, be different people.  Our life would be very different from what it is now.

The only magic pill we'd accept would be the one that makes our body match what is in our mind - going forward.  That is the only pill which would not change who we are inside.  It'll change who we /will be/ but we will still be starting from who we are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In our opinion, we can change the body without changing who we our.  It changes who we /will be/ in the future - our path is changed - but it doesn&#8217;t change our experiences that shaped who we are now, so we are still the same people as we always were.</p>
<p>Thus, for us, while we&#8217;d happily choose to change our body to match our mind, we would not choose to change our mind to match our body.  The latter doesn&#8217;t just change our future experiences - it changes who we are, by changing our mind to be different.  We would cease to exist as people, and would be replaced by slightly different versions.</p>
<p>We have also considered if we were given the opportunity to go back, change things so we were born with mind and body matching - whether that meant mind matched the body we have now, or body matched what is in our mind - and after thinking about it a lot, we have realized we wouldn&#8217;t do it.  By definition, this would change the experiences that made us who we are today.  We would, again, be different people.  Our life would be very different from what it is now.</p>
<p>The only magic pill we&#8217;d accept would be the one that makes our body match what is in our mind - going forward.  That is the only pill which would not change who we are inside.  It&#8217;ll change who we /will be/ but we will still be starting from who we are now.</p>
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		<title>By: jocelyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>jocelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a bit like the mental game that many people with SCI (or any other disability I guess) play once in awhile. If I could take it all away, would I? Would I take that magical treatment that would make it disappear? Would I still be me afterwards?

I think the answers to these questions are as individual as we are... but I can't help but wonder if at the very heart of it, the hesitant are afraid of the new or different frontier that taking that "pill" would make a reality. Sure, we'd lose the self that we are now by choosing to change - but would we not lose the potential new self that we could be by choosing to change? And isn't this thought experiment a microcosm of every internal debate that precedes a major life change? 

I've often asked myself questions like these. As a person with a congenital condition - would I choose a life full able-bodied if I had the power to? Even if it meant being someone I had &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; been in my life? Ultimately - if it was between being born physically different and not being born at all, I would always (philosophically speaking) choose life. But if it's between life as I know it now as a PWD, and the choice for a life without a disability - I would (philosophically) choose to be able-bodied, even if it meant not being the "me" that having a disability created. 

Why? Because I know that at least part of that me was created out of the fire that is my disability - the traumas of the various close calls, the many, many, many surgeries... the things I would never care to repeat nor wish on anyone. This isn't about me hating my life as a PWD. In fact, I think I'm a pretty fantastic person with a pretty charmed life... This is about being able to appreciate that the potential gain is bigger than any benefit of "self."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a bit like the mental game that many people with SCI (or any other disability I guess) play once in awhile. If I could take it all away, would I? Would I take that magical treatment that would make it disappear? Would I still be me afterwards?</p>
<p>I think the answers to these questions are as individual as we are&#8230; but I can&#8217;t help but wonder if at the very heart of it, the hesitant are afraid of the new or different frontier that taking that &#8220;pill&#8221; would make a reality. Sure, we&#8217;d lose the self that we are now by choosing to change - but would we not lose the potential new self that we could be by choosing to change? And isn&#8217;t this thought experiment a microcosm of every internal debate that precedes a major life change? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often asked myself questions like these. As a person with a congenital condition - would I choose a life full able-bodied if I had the power to? Even if it meant being someone I had <i>never</i> been in my life? Ultimately - if it was between being born physically different and not being born at all, I would always (philosophically speaking) choose life. But if it&#8217;s between life as I know it now as a PWD, and the choice for a life without a disability - I would (philosophically) choose to be able-bodied, even if it meant not being the &#8220;me&#8221; that having a disability created. </p>
<p>Why? Because I know that at least part of that me was created out of the fire that is my disability - the traumas of the various close calls, the many, many, many surgeries&#8230; the things I would never care to repeat nor wish on anyone. This isn&#8217;t about me hating my life as a PWD. In fact, I think I&#8217;m a pretty fantastic person with a pretty charmed life&#8230; This is about being able to appreciate that the potential gain is bigger than any benefit of &#8220;self.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kyla</title>
		<link>http://transabled.org/thoughts/other-thoughts/dantes-thoughts/the-red-pill-or-the-blue-pill.htm#comment-14498</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed...  the mind's identity is what defines who we are - not the body.  Our bodies can be physically changed without losing the 'me' of it; conversely, if our minds and identities are reprogrammed to coincide with our physical bodies, we lose who we are - from my perspective, no less than would be experienced by death itself, and possibly even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed&#8230;  the mind&#8217;s identity is what defines who we are - not the body.  Our bodies can be physically changed without losing the &#8216;me&#8217; of it; conversely, if our minds and identities are reprogrammed to coincide with our physical bodies, we lose who we are - from my perspective, no less than would be experienced by death itself, and possibly even more.</p>
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		<title>By: May</title>
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		<dc:creator>May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the pill aligned our mind with our body ... no.  We would nolonger be ourselves.  We are not defined by our body; we are defined by who we are.

If the pill aligned our body with our mind ... yes.  No second thoughts, no doubts, we'd take that pill.

Indeed, we take three little blue pills a day just for that reason, but they're not nearly as effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the pill aligned our mind with our body &#8230; no.  We would nolonger be ourselves.  We are not defined by our body; we are defined by who we are.</p>
<p>If the pill aligned our body with our mind &#8230; yes.  No second thoughts, no doubts, we&#8217;d take that pill.</p>
<p>Indeed, we take three little blue pills a day just for that reason, but they&#8217;re not nearly as effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dante, this is indeed a tricky issue.  One that doesn't really have an answer.  I was amused to see your post's title, however, because I wrote something called &lt;a href="http://transabled.org/thoughts/red-pill-blue-pill.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Red pill, blue pill&lt;/a&gt; a little over a year ago!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dante, this is indeed a tricky issue.  One that doesn&#8217;t really have an answer.  I was amused to see your post&#8217;s title, however, because I wrote something called <a href="http://transabled.org/thoughts/red-pill-blue-pill.htm" rel="nofollow">Red pill, blue pill</a> a little over a year ago!</p>
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