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How can we get “there”?
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Written by Sean on Wednesday, July 11, 2007
So, I was thinking this afternoon (yes, it hurts…). I starting thinking about all the ways one could become a para, and why we can’t use them, or they aren’t realistic, or achievable. And it’s not a cheerful tally. Please note that I do NOT recommend you try any of these, and that if you do, I shan’t be held responsible, and all the usual legal drivel…
There are many ways that have been discussed over the years. There are a few things that people have claimed to have tried, there are the elusive surgeon, there are, well, you’ll see…
Injecting alcohol in the spinal cord
This seems one of the most promising ways. There are legitimate uses of alcohol for medical purpose in injection forms to reduce spams and other conditions. It appears, on the surface, to make much sense. There’s even one person who claims to have been successful with it. Some days, I believe her, other days, I’m not sure what to think.
To me, the immediate problem here is one of "How can I do it myself?". Self-preservation instincts are strong. It’s human nature, we’re programmed not to hurt ourselves. And you would have to inject several times to get proper results. First, there’s the logistical problem of hitting the right spot: It ain’t easy to accurately hit a spot on your own back, navigate the syringe between vertebrae, and all that. Then, well, one injection might be possible, but doing it more than once, I wouldn’t be able to. More power to you if you are able to.
This leaves having an accomplice to do it. Probably possible, but finding someone who has half a clue of what they are doing with the injection, and that doesn’t mind too much the liability risk.
Then there’s the risk of the alcohol travelling up the spine and getting in the T area or in the brain. That would be a big nono.
Result: Possible, but not by yourself, and risks are high
Injecting alcohol in the femoral nerve
This might be easier to do yourself, but again, self-preservation would probably stop you.
There’s also the slight detail that femoral artery runs nearby femoral nerve. You don’t want to go jabbing a needle full of alcohol near one of the main arteries in the body.
Result: Possible, but not without some knowledge of anesthesiology, and risks are high.
Jumping off and landing on your back
Ok, this one must have gone through my mind a thousand times. Imagined contraptions of various shape, sizes and forms, but the risks of missing your spine and killing your kidneys, or landing on your head, or ending up a quad instead of a para… Too high a risk for my taste.
Result: Way too unreliable, way too risky.
Getting someone to stab you in the back
Well, first question is "who would you get?", probably a crook, but if you’re lucky, it’ll be an undercover cop. If you’re unlucky, the crook is going to stab you and not really care where he stabs, and you’ll bleed to death in a back alley somewhere.
Result:Logistically difficult at best, unreliable, way too risky.
Ingesting chemicals
There’s been a suggestion floating around about ingesting some chemical in the anti-freeze family, which apparently would paralyse you. Hmmm. Try it first mate, I won’t do that to myself. It’s poison. It’ll kill you, you know? or seriously mess up your internal organs, and not do the job you want. Or paralyse you way up and leave you vent dependent…
Result: Theory only, waaaay too risky, way too unreliable.
Spinal transection surgery
The safest most reliable way. Perhaps the only way to go. Obviously, finding surgeons to do it is next to impossible. There are a few people who claim to have found doctors willing to do it, but they keep the secret closely.
Result:Reliable, low risk, logistically impossible.
Surgery for femoral nerve transection
See previous item on spinal cord transection.
Result:Reliable, low risk, logistically impossible.
Conclusion
There are likely many other ways we could think of, but I suspect none of them are practicable, safe, reliable, and possible. We are, quite frankly, shit-out-of-luck.
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Hmmm this could be quite dangerous talking about this kind of stuff, but c’est la vie !
Ingesting Chemicals; do a search for [name removed]
Using long needles; i know of someone who tried this but could never find a gap between the bones, and one time she lost the needle and had to go to the hospital to get it removed.
Breaking your own back; i’ve been thinking about this recently. Again i know of someone using a snookerball taped to the correct spot on her spine, spread some of her kids toys on the ground to make it look like she had slipped on them, then did the neccessary. Brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it, but she was successfull.
Sean if you want to delete my post then i’m fine with it, i realise this is a very borderline subject and i dont wanna be reponsible for someone killing themselves having read my words. Therefore i would also add DO NOT TRY ANYTHING I’VE SUGGESTED.
3 On 12 July, 2007, Claire said:
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Also with injections, there is the big possibility of infection, not to mention being committed when they find out it was self-inflicted. All kinds of scary consequences. Not recommended.
Actually spinal needles are easy to come by.
But injecting yourself requires a lot of skill to not kill yourself or harm yourself in ways you did not intend.
I’ve seen a sciatic nerve in a cadaver, and it is HUGE.
Even if you managed to hit the right spot, pain is a major issue.
5 On 12 July, 2007, Sean said:
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Yes, this is threading a fine line. The thing is, this post is not about giving methods for injury, it only glosses over what could be done, without details. I’m not divulging anything new here, it’s all stuff floating around.
Mouse, the huge size of the sciatic nerve (and spinal cord, for that matter) is why one would need to make repeated injections. So not only do you have to hurt once, but you have to stick yourself many times. Hugely increasing risk and decreasing chances of success.
Again and again the fear of being comitted or locked up comes up and I think its miles from reality. I met self inflicted SCIs in rehab and they weren’t locked up and their intention was suicide not sci!
We no longer lock people up as punishment for a ‘crazy’ act we only lock them up when they are mentally ill and BIID isnt recognised as mental illness. Some of us know at least one successful transabled amputee who was open with doctors about the cause of the injury and they werent ‘locked up’.
As Sean says the real danger is mostly death or worse injury. Anything that will cause sci is an assault on the central nervous system and potentially fatal. Ironically I know a few real scis who’s accidents are remarkably like some of these ideas. The carpenter who fell on 4 inch nail protruding from a piece of lumber, the botched epidural or spinal tap, a guy whos ‘friend’ pulled a chair from under him as a joke. There are a million easy ways to get crippled when you arent trying!
P Dox
Seems like many of us have at least looked up methods but as Sean has concluded, none are safe (or likely).
Just to add an additional warning or two: injection into the spine is WAY TOO dangerous to even think about. As wheelmouse mentioned, it is very easy to kill oneself this way.
The chemicals that can be ingested are dangerous also. Liver damage or liver death are possible consequences. If you read carefully about some of these, they may impair all 4 limbs (and who knows what else) even when described as causing “paraplegia”.
Information out there on some of these “methods” is not to be trusted!
8 On 12 July, 2007, Sean said:
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The main danger about being locked up nowadays if you are a danger to yourself. If someone things you might harm yourself, then you might be put in protective custody. But if it’s too late, if you’ve already accomplished what you were setting out to do, it’s unlikely they’d commit you.
John, indeed, ingestion of chemicals might cause nasty side effects. You don’t wanna die a slow painful death through liver necrosis.
I think there is a very real danger of being put in a psych ward if you attempt any of these things. Even in countries you might think of as ‘forward-thinking’ because of their social policies, it depends on who’s in the ER when you’re brought in or whatever shrink they send to your bedside.
And despite your desperation, think of the social consequences of it getting around that oh, So-and-so deliberately did this or tried to do that. There could be far-reaching consequences that could even effect your livelihood or standing in the community.
Hate to be a downer, but all of this has come clear to me over the last couple of years.
10 On 12 July, 2007, Marie said:
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Jen it would mean living a life of stealth. Perhaps moving to another city to start a new life where people would never know your past. Not surprisingly a lot of transsexuals do this!
Apart from surgery, none of these are controllable, meaning you dont know what exactly will be the outcome, especially if you do any of these alone.
12 On 13 July, 2007, Sophie said:
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Another problem with aiming for nerves in the Peripheral Nervous System is that those nerves regenerate eventually. Your hard earned solution wouldn’t be long term and you would have to risk everything repeating the process.
Well… They MIGHT regenerate eventually. they often don’t, and they often do.
Oh yeah and - While those nerve are regenerating, they go crazy, which means they hurt like hell.
14 On 13 July, 2007, Sean said:
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While those nerve are regenerating, they go crazy, which means they hurt like hell.
Yep, my late wife used to tell me that nerve pain was a little bit like the pins and needles you get when your arms “wakes up” after it’s “gone to sleep”, only about a thousand times worst.
I can testify from the aftermath of my fall last year that nerve pain is hard to handle.
Yet, no matter *how* we would accomplish our desire, we would have to deal with nerve pain. Unavoidable. *shrug*
The nerve pain seems to do us all in, and I can’t quite tell if that is a good or bad thing… I guess you won’t know until you try, but at that point it’s too late :( I’m ok with being outed after it happens, but I would greatly appreciate it if people wouldn’t call me crazy. Also, kinda random, but we all know how the saying goes: When I was young.
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1 On 12 July, 2007, Claire said:
Injecting Alcohol into the Sciatic Nerve
The sciatic nerve has the advantage that it ennervates much of the lower leg. It’s 2cm across at the top, so it’s easy to hit. It’s easy to find. It’s not near any major arteries, unlike the femoral nerve. But, you need a really long needle, a spinal needle probably, and those are hard to come by. Then, as with the femoral nerve, there is the possibility of intense, long-term nerve pain caused by the damage. You could do it, but the pain might make you regret it.