Comments on: Daydreams, and femoral nerve questioning http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm Talking about Body Integrity Identity Disorder - Just another disability! Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:35:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Sylvie http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm/comment-page-1#comment-21065 Sylvie Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:36:39 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm#comment-21065 Jeremy, welcome. You'll find that most people who are here, who stick around, know a great deal more about their anatomy than lay folk do. Our knowledge may not extend into the depth a surgeon's might, but we've done our research. We know from our own experience or the experience of others that self-injury or attempting DIY surgery is a dangerous area best left alone. Thus, Sean's search for a surgeon. Jeremy, welcome. You’ll find that most people who are here, who stick around, know a great deal more about their anatomy than lay folk do. Our knowledge may not extend into the depth a surgeon’s might, but we’ve done our research.

We know from our own experience or the experience of others that self-injury or attempting DIY surgery is a dangerous area best left alone.

Thus, Sean’s search for a surgeon.

]]> By: Jeremy http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm/comment-page-1#comment-21064 Jeremy Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:10:11 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm#comment-21064 He is there to make money and put the Hipocratic oath aside, but is an expert surgeon and orthopaedic specialist. Note thet no nerver surgery by a competent surgeon is cheap even when legally done. Any surgeon who operates to sever the sciatic or other nerve is taking a risk to his career, hence the high price. The equipment is fairly expensive,PNS machine and needles and of course the know how, but it is not difficult to use. A sterile bed cover; a big mirror, etc etc. No need to be a contortionist but the ability to relax and be calm is very helpful. Not in your back, study anatomy if you want to know how you work! Buttochs/ Groin for the sciatic and femoral nerves. Anything higher will destroy erectile function, cause bladder retention. do you want a supra-pubic catheter or a urostomy as well? I will not go into detail unles anyone is really interested. Jeremy H PS I am not transabled, I came across your site by chance and find myself intrigued by anyone who wishes to be disabled. I hope that you do not mind me being here. He is there to make money and put the Hipocratic oath aside, but is an expert surgeon and orthopaedic specialist. Note thet no nerver surgery by a competent surgeon is cheap even when legally done. Any surgeon who operates to sever the sciatic or other nerve is taking a risk to his career, hence the high price.

The equipment is fairly expensive,PNS machine and needles and of course the know how, but it is not difficult to use. A sterile bed cover; a big mirror, etc etc. No need to be a contortionist but the ability to relax and be calm is very helpful.

Not in your back, study anatomy if you want to know how you work! Buttochs/ Groin for the sciatic and femoral nerves. Anything higher will destroy erectile function, cause bladder retention. do you want a supra-pubic catheter or a urostomy as well? I will not go into detail unles anyone is really interested.

Jeremy H

PS I am not transabled, I came across your site by chance and find myself intrigued by anyone who wishes to be disabled. I hope that you do not mind me being here.

]]> By: Sean http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm/comment-page-1#comment-21055 Sean Wed, 25 Aug 2010 04:13:55 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm#comment-21055 well, adequately equipped is tricky to start with. And do it yourself, involving sticking needles in specific places in your own back is... very tricky, not "easy" at all. Unless you're a contortionist. As for $100,000 for surgery, that's extortion. A surgeon demanding that kind of cost to help is not in the business of helping people. well, adequately equipped is tricky to start with. And do it yourself, involving sticking needles in specific places in your own back is… very tricky, not “easy” at all. Unless you’re a contortionist.

As for $100,000 for surgery, that’s extortion. A surgeon demanding that kind of cost to help is not in the business of helping people.

]]> By: Jeremy http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm/comment-page-1#comment-21054 Jeremy Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:33:01 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm#comment-21054 A \"DIY\" sciatic block is actually quite easy if are adequately equipped. A femoral nerve block is far more difficult and dangerous. Either, performed by a competent if unethical doctor/surgeon would be of very little risk. (healthy patient) I know of a practitioner in Europe who has performed both on a permanent basis. The cost? about $ 100,000 for both! A \”DIY\” sciatic block is actually quite easy if are adequately equipped. A femoral nerve block is far more difficult and dangerous. Either, performed by a competent if unethical doctor/surgeon would be of very little risk. (healthy patient)

I know of a practitioner in Europe who has performed both on a permanent basis. The cost? about $ 100,000 for both!

]]> By: Jay http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3187 Jay Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:20:27 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm#comment-3187 Oh, that´s rather obvious. Whenever a nerve is touched like that, it makes a kinda unpleasant tingling, in this case down along the thigh. I expect that pushing the cannula into the nerve would be outright painful, but I never tried that. Oh, that´s rather obvious. Whenever a nerve is touched like that, it makes a kinda unpleasant tingling, in this case down along the thigh. I expect that pushing the cannula into the nerve would be outright painful, but I never tried that.

]]> By: Claire http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3113 Claire Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:37:43 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm#comment-3113 Whoops, no, I wasn't advocating home surgery either, I had something entirely different in mind. Sorry, that was totally unclear. (And no, if you don't already know what I'm talking about, don't ask). Jay, how did you know that you had actually located the femoral nerve? Pain? Whoops, no, I wasn’t advocating home surgery either, I had something entirely different in mind. Sorry, that was totally unclear. (And no, if you don’t already know what I’m talking about, don’t ask).

Jay, how did you know that you had actually located the femoral nerve? Pain?

]]> By: Sean http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3111 Sean Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:33:11 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm#comment-3111 Hello Jay, Thank you for coming out of the shadows and commenting on this post. I should point out that I do NOT recommend anyone attempt DYI surgery. Never have, and never will. I've often wondered if a doctor would be willing to do either an epidural or a femoral nerve block, but there again, the problem lays with finding a willing surgeon/anesthetist. Might be easier to find the proverbial needle in the proverbial haystack... Hello Jay, Thank you for coming out of the shadows and commenting on this post.

I should point out that I do NOT recommend anyone attempt DYI surgery. Never have, and never will.

I’ve often wondered if a doctor would be willing to do either an epidural or a femoral nerve block, but there again, the problem lays with finding a willing surgeon/anesthetist. Might be easier to find the proverbial needle in the proverbial haystack…

]]> By: Jay http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3110 Jay Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:37:15 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm#comment-3110 I have only been lurking here before, but now that you bring up my favorite topic of amateur home surgery, I have to comment. A basic principle of "real" surgery is that the surgeon has to have a DEEP understanding of the area to operate on. That may explain why surgeons are unwilling to work on unfamiliar areas. It takes just a little bit of study , like Gray´s anatomy on the net, to find out about a structure called the Femoral sheath. That is a hose-like tube bundling together the Femoral nerve, vein, and artery. Both those vessels are finger-thick. Cutting blindly in that area at home could easily cause some very unwanted effects. But you could ask your surgeon friends if they could perform a Femoral block on you, using a local anestetic (preferably long-acting) to give you an idea what a loss of femoral function is like. I think that is fairly commonly done for knee surgery. Maybe not exactly what you want, but maybe something you can actually have? Btw, the Femoral nerve running "close to the skin" was some 4 cm deep when I once located it on myself in a sitting position. Used the better part of a 50mm cannula to poke it, just for practice. I have only been lurking here before, but now that you bring up my favorite topic of amateur home surgery, I have to comment. A basic principle of “real” surgery is that the surgeon has to have a DEEP understanding of the area to operate on. That may explain why surgeons are unwilling to work on unfamiliar areas. It takes just a little bit of study , like Gray´s anatomy on the net, to find out about a structure called the Femoral sheath. That is a hose-like tube bundling together the Femoral nerve, vein, and artery.
Both those vessels are finger-thick.
Cutting blindly in that area at home could easily cause some very unwanted effects.
But you could ask your surgeon friends if they could perform a Femoral block on you, using a local anestetic (preferably long-acting) to give you an idea what a loss of femoral function is like. I think that is fairly commonly done for knee surgery. Maybe not exactly what you want, but maybe something you can actually have?

Btw, the Femoral nerve running “close to the skin” was some 4 cm deep when I once located it on myself in a sitting position. Used the better part of a 50mm cannula to poke it, just for practice.

]]> By: Sean http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3108 Sean Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:16:19 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm#comment-3108 Welcome back Darci, long time no hear. :) I'm glad to see you. Welcome back Darci, long time no hear. :) I’m glad to see you.

]]> By: Darci http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3106 Darci Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:23:57 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm#comment-3106 My surgery to relieve some back pain/nerve issues included cutting small nerves leading to the femoral nerve and to alleviate some of the sciatic pain I was constantly having. The result, some numbness but not the constant nerve pain I had, a significant drop foot on my right side, and atrophy along the inside of my thigh and calf. I can get away with using a chair when I want, I do when needing long distances or long days. Most days I will use a cane or forearm crutch. My surgery to relieve some back pain/nerve issues included cutting small nerves leading to the femoral nerve and to alleviate some of the sciatic pain I was constantly having. The result, some numbness but not the constant nerve pain I had, a significant drop foot on my right side, and atrophy along the inside of my thigh and calf. I can get away with using a chair when I want, I do when needing long distances or long days. Most days I will use a cane or forearm crutch.

]]> By: Claire http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3095 Claire Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:50:47 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm#comment-3095 And wouldn't you have to hit the sciatic as well to parallyze the whole leg? That one is buried pretty deep, no way to get to it yourself. And wouldn’t you have to hit the sciatic as well to parallyze the whole leg? That one is buried pretty deep, no way to get to it yourself.

]]> By: Claire http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm/comment-page-1#comment-3093 Claire Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:32:30 +0000 http://transabled.org/thoughts/daydreams-and-femoral-nerve-questioning.htm#comment-3093 Do it!! Send out that batch of letters. It's worth another try. Find a surgeon, and you'll figure out the money. If you don't try, you'll never know. And if they refuse...FWIW, at that junction, the femoral nerve is very close to the skin. If you are very careful, it can't be any more difficult or dangerous or painful than the methods that the successful amp wannabes have used, can it? Do it!! Send out that batch of letters. It’s worth another try. Find a surgeon, and you’ll figure out the money. If you don’t try, you’ll never know.

And if they refuse…FWIW, at that junction, the femoral nerve is very close to the skin. If you are very careful, it can’t be any more difficult or dangerous or painful than the methods that the successful amp wannabes have used, can it?

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